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Post by tt408 on Feb 7, 2012 13:51:12 GMT -4
See how the slider on the shaft is not perpendicular to the blade grip hub? That is why it binds after torquing/tightening the bolts. My 600 tail binds also, and is doing the same thing as yours. You are not alone on this issue. It doesn't matter how it is tightened. I will find a way around this though. Your bound to find some flaws in any kit.
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 13:52:14 GMT -4
Lock-tite is designed to prevent the bolt/nut from loosening in high vibration environments. Never was and never has lock-tite been designed or intended to be used to solely hold a fastener in place. Expecting lock-tite to hold a fastener in place is just asking for trouble and I will never expect nor allow lock-tite to solely hold a fastener in place. Here's a question for you? Would you put the lug nuts on the studs of a vehicle that you or your wife was driving by just putting some lock-tite on the threads and then snugging the nuts? I don't think so. You would properly torque the nuts so the bolt and nut stretch and hold. Read what's posted please. loctite is used to keep the bolt from coming loose and backing out.When it drys,it's hard and fill's the open areas in the threads.When that happen's and the bolt is SNUG,the bolt won't come loose and back out.That's why you get the crack sound when you break bolt's loose with loctite on them If you use too much loctite,you chance stripping the bolt head because it stuck and won't come loose at all.That's when you use heat.Anyone that's used loctite and anyone that's been in the hobby long enough knows this stuff. A car lug has nothing to do with this hobby and the mis-hap you had,very bad example.You don't crank bolt's down on these heli's like you would on a rotor stud.That would be like saying you should crank the intake bolt's down like you would rotor studs.If you do that,you'll warp/crack the intake. Some part's don't need to be as tight as other's and it clearly shows you don't know this.. You're right, a car lug has nothing to do with this hobby but tell me what the difference is. These 550 and larger helicopters are very powerful and are very dangerous no matter how careful you think you are. If a wheel comes off of your car when moving you can be seriously injured or killed. If a tail blade grip comes off your helicopter while in the air you lose control and can be hit by the helicopter which can also seriously injure or kill you. Difference in being seriously injured or killed? I don't see one. Being seriously injured or killed is being seriously inured or killed no matter what activity you are doing, whether it be while driving down the road or while flying your very powerful helicopter. PROPERLY TORQUING FASTENERS, WHETHER IT BE ON A CAR, TRUCK, HELICOPTER, CHILDREN'S TOY OR ETC. IS WHAT I AM SAYING/STRESSING. AND A FASTENER CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO IF IT IS NOT TORQUED. SIMPLE AS THAT. LOCK-TITE DOES GET HARD BUT AS I STATED BEFORE, IT IS DESIGNED SOLELY TO PREVENT THE FASTENER FROM BACKING OUT/LOOSENING IN HIGH VIBRATION ENVIRONMENTS AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD A FASTENER IN PLACE OR TO BARE THE LOAD OF WHAT THE FASTENER IS DESIGNED TO BARE . COMPREHEND?
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 14:10:15 GMT -4
All i can tell you is that mine is really tight and i have zero binding. So something must be wrong. Id say its as tight as any other bolt I have installed.
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 14:16:42 GMT -4
All i can tell you is that mine is really tight and i have zero binding. So something must be wrong. Id say its as tight as any other bolt I have installed. Exactly! His is torqued and is not binding and another post on this same page states that he is having the same problem I am having. I am going to find a way to fix/make it work though I should not have to.
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Post by supercopter on Feb 7, 2012 14:18:59 GMT -4
This has been discussed on other forums with the align tail. At first, if you take it out as most of us do to check the lock tite or add, and then try to put the bolt in too tight, you can damage the bearing. Once those components are compressed too much, then you have an issue.
By no means am I accusing anyone here of over tightening, its just something that is not uncommon and has been discussed on other forums with other helicopter mfg's.
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Post by onthedeck on Feb 7, 2012 14:23:11 GMT -4
Read what's posted please. loctite is used to keep the bolt from coming loose and backing out.When it drys,it's hard and fill's the open areas in the threads.When that happen's and the bolt is SNUG,the bolt won't come loose and back out.That's why you get the crack sound when you break bolt's loose with loctite on them If you use too much loctite,you chance stripping the bolt head because it stuck and won't come loose at all.That's when you use heat.Anyone that's used loctite and anyone that's been in the hobby long enough knows this stuff. A car lug has nothing to do with this hobby and the mis-hap you had,very bad example.You don't crank bolt's down on these heli's like you would on a rotor stud.That would be like saying you should crank the intake bolt's down like you would rotor studs.If you do that,you'll warp/crack the intake. Some part's don't need to be as tight as other's and it clearly shows you don't know this.. You're right, a car lug has nothing to do with this hobby but tell me what the difference is. These 550 and larger helicopters are very powerful and are very dangerous no matter how careful you think you are. If a wheel comes off of your car when moving you can be seriously injured or killed. If a tail blade grip comes off your helicopter while in the air you lose control and can be hit by the helicopter which can also seriously injure or kill you. Difference in being seriously injured or killed? I don't see one. Being seriously injured or killed is being seriously inured or killed no matter what activity you are doing, whether it be while driving down the road or while flying your very powerful helicopter. PROPERLY TORQUING FASTENERS, WHETHER IT BE ON A CAR, TRUCK, HELICOPTER, CHILDREN'S TOY OR ETC. IS WHAT I AM SAYING/STRESSING. AND A FASTENER CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO IF IT IS NOT TORQUED. SIMPLE AS THAT. LOCK-TITE DOES GET HARD BUT AS I STATED BEFORE, IT IS DESIGNED SOLELY TO PREVENT THE FASTENER FROM BACKING OUT/LOOSENING IN HIGH VIBRATION ENVIRONMENTS AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD A FASTENER IN PLACE OR TO BARE THE LOAD OF WHAT THE FASTENER IS DESIGNED TO BARE . COMPREHEND? Do this so you learn something today about loctite.Take a bolt,put loctite on the thread's and put a non locking nut on it.Don't put it all the way down so it's snug,just turn it on the thread's that has the loctite on it.Let it dry over night and try turning it off the next day.. Your new to the hobby (year or so) and will learn as you go..Good luck and i'll post more once I get mine today..
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Post by onthedeck on Feb 7, 2012 14:28:04 GMT -4
This has been discussed on other forums with the align tail. At first, if you take it out as most of us do to check the lock tite or add, and then try to put the bolt in too tight, you can damage the bearing. Once those components are compressed too much, then you have an issue. By no means am I accusing anyone here of over tightening, its just something that is not uncommon and has been discussed on other forums with other helicopter mfg's. That's exactly what im saying.Tight to one person can be not tight enough to another or the other way around..
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Post by mattox on Feb 7, 2012 14:32:04 GMT -4
tt408 haha sorry but at the end you said you will be relying soly on loctite. well all helicopters do
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 14:49:25 GMT -4
You're right, a car lug has nothing to do with this hobby but tell me what the difference is. These 550 and larger helicopters are very powerful and are very dangerous no matter how careful you think you are. If a wheel comes off of your car when moving you can be seriously injured or killed. If a tail blade grip comes off your helicopter while in the air you lose control and can be hit by the helicopter which can also seriously injure or kill you. Difference in being seriously injured or killed? I don't see one. Being seriously injured or killed is being seriously inured or killed no matter what activity you are doing, whether it be while driving down the road or while flying your very powerful helicopter. PROPERLY TORQUING FASTENERS, WHETHER IT BE ON A CAR, TRUCK, HELICOPTER, CHILDREN'S TOY OR ETC. IS WHAT I AM SAYING/STRESSING. AND A FASTENER CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO IF IT IS NOT TORQUED. SIMPLE AS THAT. LOCK-TITE DOES GET HARD BUT AS I STATED BEFORE, IT IS DESIGNED SOLELY TO PREVENT THE FASTENER FROM BACKING OUT/LOOSENING IN HIGH VIBRATION ENVIRONMENTS AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD A FASTENER IN PLACE OR TO BARE THE LOAD OF WHAT THE FASTENER IS DESIGNED TO BARE . COMPREHEND? Do this so you learn something today about loctite.Take a bolt,put loctite on the thread's and put a non locking nut on it.Don't put it all the way down so it's snug,just turn it on the thread's that has the loctite on it.Let it dry over night and try turning it off the next day.. Your new to the hobby (year or so) and will learn as you go..Good luck and i'll post more once I get mine today.. I work with lock-tite(loctite) every day. Removing and installing bolts with it. I know exactly how well it works when it is used for it's intended/designed purpose. I may have only been in the r/c helicopter hobby for about a year and a half but I have been diagnosing, repairing and fabricating things since I was a child and still do so as a career on a daily basis.
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 14:54:33 GMT -4
Im telling you guys on my 550 the bolt is very tight with zero binding. A few of my 450's have to be very loose to get no binding and Im always stuck having to tighten again after each flight and reinstalling loctite. Im glad my 550 is the opposite.
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 14:57:28 GMT -4
Find me loctite that works at around 1500deg applications Damn bolts keep falling out of my downpipe on my turbo civic.
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Post by Dr. Evil on Feb 7, 2012 15:13:37 GMT -4
Find me loctite that works at around 1500deg applications Damn bolts keep falling out of my downpipe on my turbo civic. it's call welding! Lol
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Post by Dr. Evil on Feb 7, 2012 15:16:18 GMT -4
Damn, i am gonna have to start another thread with the subject on threadlock
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 15:21:33 GMT -4
yes u are. Ive tried every type out there and they keep falling out lol
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 15:22:00 GMT -4
Still waiting on your canopy pics
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