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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 9, 2011 16:58:04 GMT -4
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Post by chumley on Oct 9, 2011 22:00:49 GMT -4
Are they out yet?
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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 10, 2011 8:11:36 GMT -4
Not yet but should be real soon. I am thinking this will be my next toy.
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Post by chumley on Oct 11, 2011 0:04:53 GMT -4
Not yet but should be real soon. I am thinking this will be my next toy. My thumbs aren't ready for a Hot Rod like the 550 yet. Once I get better with my current fleet I may think about it but I am at least a year from needing anything like this. I will watch for the release date so I can recommend this heli to friends that have better skilz than I.
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Post by adventurer on Oct 11, 2011 5:32:42 GMT -4
My thumbs aren't ready for a Hot Rod like the 550 yet. Is the 550 such a Hot-Rod? I count my skills as mediocre, FF but no aerobatics (rolls loops) yet. I want a 550 for practical reasons - cheaper bats - parts etc. Am I going to have trouble flying it?
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Post by chumley on Oct 11, 2011 8:58:14 GMT -4
My thumbs aren't ready for a Hot Rod like the 550 yet. Is the 550 such a Hot-Rod? I count my skills as mediocre, FF but no aerobatics (rolls loops) yet. I want a 550 for practical reasons - cheaper bats - parts etc. Am I going to have trouble flying it? It can be a hot rod - basically it's the 600 blades, motor, and batteries in a smaller lighter frame. I really don't think the 550 will be any cheaper on parts or batts as they are very similar to the 600. if you are looking for a cheaper alternative, the 450's are about as economical as you can get. The 600 is more of a gentleman's heli and the 550 is the hot rod.
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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 11, 2011 9:01:20 GMT -4
My thumbs aren't ready for a Hot Rod like the 550 yet. Is the 550 such a Hot-Rod? I count my skills as mediocre, FF but no aerobatics (rolls loops) yet. I want a 550 for practical reasons - cheaper bats - parts etc. Am I going to have trouble flying it? Hey there Adventurer...welcome, looks like your new here. Thanks for registering on the lounge! You're right on the "practical" sense as it will come with a slightly cheaper set up and replacement parts. As for the battery, you can certainly go with a 6s and be very happy with it but ofcause you can always go up in the power department. I look at the 550 as the little brother that the 600 never had. What I mean is that the 550 has a great power to weight ratio. A standard setup of a 600 size heli with a 1000kv motor running on 6s is plenty of power for any average flights with some mild 3D but you can certainly wake it up by going to a 8s or even 10s setup. Now, taking that same basic 6s setup and stick it into a lighter 550 heli and you will have a beast. Then ofcause, going beyond a 6s in the 550 will be just nuts but you get the idea. To answer your question about having any trouble flying it? The answer would be "no", cause you can set it up the way you fly by putting in how much power you want it to have. BTW, thats the cool part about the Chaos over an Align Trex....its the fact that you can purchase a Chaos as a barebone kit and build it anyway you want having the same quality and sometimes even better than of the Trex. The money you'll save by going with a Chaos can be spent on electronics.
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Post by adventurer on Oct 12, 2011 4:00:30 GMT -4
The only 600s that I've seen run on 12S. Align-600E. They're pretty mean machines.
I currently fly a 450, and am looking for something a bit larger, hence the 550. I run 9º collective and 5º cyclic, a mild set-up.
If the 550 cannot be set-up to be as mild, then I won't enjoy chasing it all over the sky, and it will be shelf queen.
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Post by chumley on Oct 12, 2011 13:57:58 GMT -4
The only 600s that I've seen run on 12S. Align-600E. They're pretty mean machines. I currently fly a 450, and am looking for something a bit larger, hence the 550. I run 9º collective and 5º cyclic, a mild set-up. If the 550 cannot be set-up to be as mild, then I won't enjoy chasing it all over the sky, and it will be shelf queen. Personally, I think you would like the 600 on 6S better. The new Trex 600s are setup to accept up to 12S, but the standard electronics that come with the Chaos 600 are good to just 6S. The nice thing about the Chaos 600 is that the frame is wider, so you could put a bigger motor and batteries in later if you want. As pointed out above, the 550 standard setup is just like the 600 6S so it can be tamed down. The 550 uses the same head and tail parts as the 600 just in a smaller frame, so I really can't think it will be any cheaper to fix. So, unless you want a more powerful heli, the 600 will be the more stable and predicable choice . . . but this is just my opinion.
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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 12, 2011 18:29:49 GMT -4
One interesting about that new Trex 600E which btw I saw in person about a month ago at a local fly event. It only got about 4 minutes of flight time running on 12s. I am not sure if the rest of the setup had anything to do with it but I would probably want more than 4 minutes. Then again, to give credit to the fact that it was flying pretty hard with 3D. I do know that watching "Invert/OntheDeck" (who is often on RCG as well as here on the Lounge) flying his Chaos 700 which ofcause is running on 12s with some hardcore 3D is only getting around the same amount of time. This makes me to believe that one's flying style has alot to do with how quickly the battery gets drained.
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Post by chumley on Oct 12, 2011 20:42:27 GMT -4
No doubt that Trex 600E on 12S was running a pretty high head speed. For hard 3D you crank the head speed to really make the heli pop, but it comes a the expense of duration. I guess an important point for Adventurer is that any heli can have the head speed dialed back which will make the heli fly softer and give better duration. As your skill increases, the head speed can be dialed back up for a more thrilling ride.
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Post by adventurer on Oct 13, 2011 2:59:19 GMT -4
Personally, I think you would like the 600 on 6S better. I'm quite the lurker on Helifreak, and the generally held opinion there is that the 600 on 6S is a dog, and is hard on batteries, basically at the limit of what a 6S can do. I realize that the user-profile on that site include sky-gods, wannabe sky-gods and posers, so that view should be taken in context. This discussion has gone a bit off-topic, so let's leave the 600 talk here, and I'll start a new thread in the 600 forum.
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Post by adventurer on Oct 13, 2011 3:13:13 GMT -4
I guess an important point for Adventurer is that any heli can have the head speed dialed back which will make the heli fly softer and give better duration. As your skill increases, the head speed can be dialed back up for a more thrilling ride. I did this on the 450, only to discover that you go below the manufacturers minimum head speed at your peril. The 450 cannot go below 2600 without turning into a nodding dog, even at that speed, the tail was loose and barely controllable. Will RCA provide a speed-range recommendation with this bird, or do we use Align's recommendation, I wonder. Anybody got ideas about flight-time on this one? I do enjoy my current 5:30 -> 6 minute flights. I guess that I can always dial the swash mix back to almost zero to tame the bird down. ;D
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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 14, 2011 17:38:09 GMT -4
[/quote]Will RCA provide a speed-range recommendation with this bird, or do we use Align's recommendation, I wonder.
Anybody got ideas about flight-time on this one? I do enjoy my current 5:30 -> 6 minute flights.
I guess that I can always dial the swash mix back to almost zero to tame the bird down. ;D[/quote]
Go with Align's recommendations as the Chaos is 100% compatiable but than ofcause that will depend on if you decide to change up some stuff.
You can certainly dial in your bird the way you like and it will fly just as you want it to.
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Post by Dr. Evil on Oct 14, 2011 17:39:50 GMT -4
This discussion has gone a bit off-topic, so let's leave the 600 talk here, and I'll start a new thread in the 600 forum. I will go and start one on the 600 thread on what and how everyone got theirs set up......
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