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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 6, 2012 23:16:12 GMT -4
All depends on the overall swash diameter of our chaos 550's and the align 550's as well. Right now with the way our swash is im almost 100 percent certain using longer balls on the servo horns will fix our chaos issues with improper geometry and canopy rubbing issues. If you still have rubbing issues im thinking that the canopy mounts for the 600 size heli are slightly longer than the ones on our 550 and would hold the canopy out slightly farther and could help aleviate the rubbing
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Post by onthedeck on Feb 6, 2012 23:31:54 GMT -4
The frame's are wider on the Chaos 550E so clearly the canopy might rub the link rods.
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Post by backburner1955 on Feb 6, 2012 23:34:07 GMT -4
Well, look at the balls on the Align Swash that you posted, and look at the balls on the Chaos Swash that I posted. I think that may cause resolution issues for the FBL unit.
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 0:04:55 GMT -4
Everyone needs to take a CLOSE look at their tail assemblies also.
I just started focusing on it and found some major issues.
Video showing and explaining soon to come.
Might just be mine but I highly doubt it and just want to make sure everyone takes a good look at theirs.
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Post by backburner1955 on Feb 7, 2012 0:24:03 GMT -4
I looked at mine closely, all seems good and smooth. What is the problem?
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 0:32:32 GMT -4
Severe binding from poor machining.
Uploading video to youtube right now.
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Post by mattox on Feb 7, 2012 0:33:41 GMT -4
mines silky smooth as well no issues. cant wait to see this vid
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 0:46:18 GMT -4
mines silky smooth as well no issues. cant wait to see this vid What's funny to me is that many of you seem to think that I am making this stuff up and just trying to find things wrong with this kit. Absolutely not the case. Remember, I was just as excited as any of you to get my hands on this kit. If I wasn't I would not have joined this site just so I could get all of the latest updates about the status and release date. I think we should all be able to let others know what we are running into while building our helicopters so they can go take a closer look at theirs and verify that their helicopter doesn't have the same issue. For safety sake at the very least. Remember, safety first. It's not my fault that there are so many issues with this kit. I am a customer and expect products that I purchase to live up to their description. All I am trying to do is build this helicopter. But I am not going to just throw it together and spool it up to 2300 rpms without going through it with a fine tooth comb because I don't want myself or any of the people I fly with to be impaled by a projectile from my helicopter that could have been prevented with a thorough inspection during the build process. Another thing that I find funny is that a forum like this is here for mainly ONE reason. And that reason is for everyone to be able to voice their opinions, help each other out and talk about enjoying the hobby. If you don't like something that I post, just move on to the next post.
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 1:13:01 GMT -4
See how the slider on the shaft is not perpendicular to the blade grip hub? That is why it binds after torquing/tightening the bolts.
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Post by onthedeck on Feb 7, 2012 1:47:24 GMT -4
See how the slider on the shaft is not perpendicular to the blade grip hub? That is why it binds after torquing/tightening the bolts. There's bearing's in the arms and you over torqued them,that's why it's binding.The arm isn't binding,it's the bearing locking up ..Ive done that on my Outrage Velocity 50,Trex 600E,Trex 600N and Trex 700N .You have to loctite a tiny bit and snug them because the inside bearing race doesn't move on the bolt so it won't back out.
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 9:18:27 GMT -4
Ive done the same thing in the past on dif machines. Theres a fine line when tightening and loctite is a must
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 9:20:31 GMT -4
See how the slider on the shaft is not perpendicular to the blade grip hub? That is why it binds after torquing/tightening the bolts. There's bearing's in the arms and you over torqued them,that's why it's binding.The arm isn't binding,it's the bearing locking up ..Ive done that on my Outrage Velocity 50,Trex 600E,Trex 600N and Trex 700N .You have to loctite a tiny bit and snug them because the inside bearing race doesn't move on the bolt so it won't back out. Not over-torqued. The geometry of the tail assembly is way off because of poor machining. It's hard to see it in the video but the tail control links are not true to the blade grips causing binding and on top of that the bearings in the tail control links will not fully seat into the tail control links which is adding to the binding. The only way I can get the tail to be bind-free is to just barely snug the bolt and then back them out. Which means that the only thing holding the links to the grips would be lock-tite and that is not acceptable because the bolts will either eventually back out or shear from the vibrations. I have never had this problem with any of my other kits. The point of a bolt is for it to be torqued. They are designed to be torqued. Torquing a bolt slightly stretches the machined threads of the bolt, applying pressure to the threads of the machined surface of the bolt and if not torqued properly to the correct torque the bolt can not properly do what it was designed to do.
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 9:47:41 GMT -4
are you missing some kind of brass bushing or anything? Im just looking for the problem so we can figure it out.
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Post by garrettt04s on Feb 7, 2012 9:49:41 GMT -4
Did anyone see the recall that Align has on there version of these FBL heads. The bolts that attached the linkage bracket to the blade grips are getting harmonics and breaking. The issued new bolts that are a higher tensile. Hope our heads dont run into the same problem. Anyone know what tensile our bolts are. I might order the upgraded ones from align to be safe
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Post by jgpncll on Feb 7, 2012 10:03:47 GMT -4
are you missing some kind of brass bushing or anything? Im just looking for the problem so we can figure it out. All brass bushings are in place. I upgraded the plastic levers from my Align 550 to the KDE levers a few months ago so I am going to install the old Align plastic levers tonight to see what happens.
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