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Jan 31, 2013 20:05:02 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Jan 31, 2013 20:05:02 GMT -4
I would not put the talon on the 600. I would not put it on a bigger machine than the 550. I still Highly recommend running a separate BEC on bigger birds just in case.... The esc goes up in smoke. The Talon could be used on a 6S 600 as long as you are not doing real hard 3D. On my bigger birds - even with a separate BEC, I run a Scorpion BUG. The BUG is a $25 insurance policy against loss of power to your receiver/servos: www.scorpionsystem.com/catalog/accessories/backup_guard/S_Backup_Guard/
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Jan 31, 2013 20:11:18 GMT -4
Post by Chris Reibert on Jan 31, 2013 20:11:18 GMT -4
Oh I really like that! But how would you know if it had to be used?
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Jan 31, 2013 20:29:27 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Jan 31, 2013 20:29:27 GMT -4
Oh I really like that! But how would you know if it had to be used? The BUG powers the receiver at 5 volts. If you are running more than that, you might feel a difference is control response. If you are running close to that you may not know. The BUG is a 500 mah 2S lipo so it has enough capacity to power an entire flight for most of us. When the BUG needs to be recharged, the power light will flash so if it was solid when you took off and flashing when you land, you might have had a problem. I still check the voltage on the BUG before I start to fly for the day. There have all been some issues with some switching BECs when the BUG was powered first. I think it's a good idea to turn on your BEC first then the BUG to make sure the BEC is working and to make sure you aren't having any power conflicts with the BUG. When you shut down, you can power down your BEC first to confirm that the BUG will still pick up the load. I'm not sure any of this is endorsed by any of the manufactures, but it's how I run my system.
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Jan 31, 2013 20:39:05 GMT -4
Post by Dr. Evil on Jan 31, 2013 20:39:05 GMT -4
I would not put the talon on the 600. I would not put it on a bigger machine than the 550. I still Highly recommend running a separate BEC on bigger birds just in case.... The esc goes up in smoke. The Talon could be used on a 6S 600 as long as you are not doing real hard 3D. On my bigger birds - even with a separate BEC, I run a Scorpion BUG. The BUG is a $25 insurance policy against loss of power to your receiver/servos: www.scorpionsystem.com/catalog/accessories/backup_guard/S_Backup_Guard/Ok guys, now I am lost...I am using a BEC Pro for the very reason as an insurance incase l have a brown out or lose power for whatever the reason may be. So basically the BUG is a backup for the backup (BEC) LOL..... @chris, my 600 is basically like my 550 in every way except for it's size. It has the same electronics so why couldn't I go with the talon?
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Jan 31, 2013 22:20:51 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Jan 31, 2013 22:20:51 GMT -4
Ok guys, now I am lost...I am using a BEC Pro for the very reason as an insurance incase l have a brown out or lose power for whatever the reason may be. So basically the BUG is a backup for the backup (BEC) LOL..... DrEvil, What is your primary power source? You shouldn't be running the esc's built-in bec if you are running an external bec.
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Jan 31, 2013 22:43:46 GMT -4
Post by Chris Reibert on Jan 31, 2013 22:43:46 GMT -4
I still don't trust the Talon yet and having a separate external BEC is good insurance. Ice 100 and BEC Pro is a great combo for the 600. I've got a brand new Talon for my Logo 500 but I'm still to let everyone else beta test it.
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Jan 31, 2013 22:47:49 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Jan 31, 2013 22:47:49 GMT -4
I still don't trust the Talon yet and having a separate external BEC is good insurance. Ice 100 and BEC Pro is a great combo for the 600. I've got a brand new Talon for my Logo 500 but I'm still to let everyone else beta test it. No doubt the ICE 100/BEC Pro is a nice setup. I'll be running a Talon in my Logo 500 that arrives tomorrow - I'll let you know how it works!
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Jan 31, 2013 22:58:09 GMT -4
Post by Dr. Evil on Jan 31, 2013 22:58:09 GMT -4
Ok guys, now I am lost...I am using a BEC Pro for the very reason as an insurance incase l have a brown out or lose power for whatever the reason may be. So basically the BUG is a backup for the backup (BEC) LOL..... DrEvil, What is your primary power source? You shouldn't be running the esc's built-in bec if you are running an external bec. Correct, I am not...just the BEC Pro. My primary source is my flight battery which is a 6s 5000mah 40c
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Jan 31, 2013 23:00:31 GMT -4
Post by Dr. Evil on Jan 31, 2013 23:00:31 GMT -4
FYI, my 600 is the super combo kit so all electronics are stock which is Phoenixtech ESC, moter and servos. The only thing added is the CC BEC Pro.
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Jan 31, 2013 23:08:30 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Jan 31, 2013 23:08:30 GMT -4
Correct, I am not...just the BEC Pro. My primary source is my flight battery which is a 6s 5000mah 40c OK, the bec pulls it's power from your 6S pack. Your bec is the only source of rx power so if it fails you lose control of your heli. The 6S pack is not connected directly to your receiver, it's only connected to the esc (which powers the motor) and the bec (which powers the rx). A Scorpion BUG watches your receiver voltage and if it falls below 5 volts, the BUG jumps in with around 10 amps of power to keep your receiver powered.
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Jan 31, 2013 23:16:00 GMT -4
Post by Dr. Evil on Jan 31, 2013 23:16:00 GMT -4
Correct, I am not...just the BEC Pro. My primary source is my flight battery which is a 6s 5000mah 40c OK, the bec pulls it's power from your 6S pack. Your bec is the only source of rx power so if it fails you lose control of your heli. The 6S pack is not connected directly to your receiver, it's only connected to the esc (which powers the motor) and the bec (which powers the rx). A Scorpion BUG watches your receiver voltage and if it falls below 5 volts, the BUG jumps in with around 10 amps of power to keep your receiver powered. Ok...gotcha! So its either that or go with a separate lipo for Rx for absolute security correct?
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Feb 1, 2013 8:46:34 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Feb 1, 2013 8:46:34 GMT -4
Ok...gotcha! So its either that or go with a separate lipo for Rx for absolute security correct? A separate lipo is great IF you have HV servos all around. If you run standard servos, then you'll have to run a regulator which is prone to the same sort of failures as an esc. With a separate lipo, you also have to make sure you bring them to the field (been there, done that) and keep them charged. For simplicity, I just changed my HV heli from a separate lipo to a CC BEC Pro and Scorpion BUG. I now only have one type of battery to remember and keep charged and I have a redundant power source to my receiver. Anything can fail, but I believe I have made a reasonable effort to keep this kind of failure from happening to me. Andrew, Are you going to be at SEFF again this year? I'll have most of my helis and can show you how it all works.
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Feb 1, 2013 10:06:27 GMT -4
Post by Dr. Evil on Feb 1, 2013 10:06:27 GMT -4
Ok...gotcha! So its either that or go with a separate lipo for Rx for absolute security correct? A separate lipo is great IF you have HV servos all around. If you run standard servos, then you'll have to run a regulator which is prone to the same sort of failures as an esc. With a separate lipo, you also have to make sure you bring them to the field (been there, done that) and keep them charged. For simplicity, I just changed my HV heli from a separate lipo to a CC BEC Pro and Scorpion BUG. I now only have one type of battery to remember and keep charged and I have a redundant power source to my receiver. Anything can fail, but I believe I have made a reasonable effort to keep this kind of failure from happening to me. Andrew, Are you going to be at SEFF again this year? I'll have most of my helis and can show you how it all works. Thanks for all the info., as for SEFF...its a 50/50 but should be at Joe Nall for sure. Any plans for you to make JN?
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Feb 1, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -4
Post by Valkman on Feb 1, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -4
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Feb 1, 2013 11:37:40 GMT -4
Post by chumley on Feb 1, 2013 11:37:40 GMT -4
Thanks for all the info., as for SEFF...its a 50/50 but should be at Joe Nall for sure. Any plans for you to make JN? Nall is almost a certainty. Last year, I hung around the 3D area but this year, I'll probably camp at the heli area and just visit the other venues.
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