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Post by heliofaguy on Dec 14, 2012 14:07:57 GMT -4
I'm looking at going Flybarless on my Chaos 600E. Unfortunately, RCA is OOS on the Black Widow FBL head. I'm thinking of just purchasing the 600 FBL head that is in stock with the Black Widow FBL controller. I thought I would take a look at the manual for the Black Widow FBL 3-Axis Gyro. But when I click on the link to download the pdf on the website, I get a Server Error. It seems that the link is no longer a good one to that manual. Could I get some help with a pdf for the Black Widow FBL gyro?
What is everyone's opinion of the 600 FBL Head? There is no picture provided in RCA's website. Is this head OK, or should I wait for the Black Widow head to be restocked. Your opinions are valuable to me. Thanx Guys.
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Post by Dr. Evil on Dec 14, 2012 20:27:39 GMT -4
I'm looking at going Flybarless on my Chaos 600E. Unfortunately, RCA is OOS on the Black Widow FBL head. I'm thinking of just purchasing the 600 FBL head that is in stock with the Black Widow FBL controller. I thought I would take a look at the manual for the Black Widow FBL 3-Axis Gyro. But when I click on the link to download the pdf on the website, I get a Server Error. It seems that the link is no longer a good one to that manual. Could I get some help with a pdf for the Black Widow FBL gyro? What is everyone's opinion of the 600 FBL Head? There is no picture provided in RCA's website. Is this head OK, or should I wait for the Black Widow head to be restocked. Your opinions are valuable to me. Thanx Guys. I have the BW FBL head on both my 550 and 600, they both work great. I like the BW head cause it does not have the extra phasing links and arms like that of the regular 600 fbl head. I recently swapped over my 600 to FBL and was easy as pie. I also went with the BW 3 axis gyro as well, both my 550 and 600 are running on it. I have not had any issues with either one so far. The programming is super easy via a PC or laptop, ofcause you can program it on the unit itself as well. I am not sure why the link is not working on RCA's website but I can try and find out what the problem is for ya.
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Post by heliofaguy on Dec 14, 2012 22:03:57 GMT -4
Will the Black Widow FBL head use the same main rotor shaft that came with the FB unit, or will I need to get a special FBL shaft? I didn't see anything in the spare parts as a FBL main shaft. Will need to replace my main blades and get FBL rotor blades, or will the 600mm CF blades that came with the kit work OK?
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Post by Chris Reibert on Dec 14, 2012 22:36:17 GMT -4
The BW is easy as pie to convert from FB to FBL! It will slide right onto the existing shaft. You will just need to change two of the swash plate balls to 700size. The blades will work fine but non FBL blades will be extremely touchy and aggressive. FBL have a heavier leading edge to help simulate a flybar setup. I have a set of Edge 603m FBL blades for sale. You will not be let down by FBL. Easier to set up, crisp cyclic response, and looks cleaner! Edge Rotorblade 603m FBL $80 Shipped
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Post by heliofaguy on Dec 16, 2012 10:06:13 GMT -4
Thanks for your responses, guys. Sorry for all the questions. Do the 700 Ball Link connectors come with the FBL head kits, or will I need to get the 700 ball set? I'm just trying to make certain I know what comes with the head kit so I can order everything I need. I really like the looks of the other FBL head, too, with the extra wash-out arms. I saw it in a You-Tube video someone did of the 600E build. I guess it looks more scale to me than the ultra-clean BW head. I'm kinda wierd that way. I'm still learning to fly. I'm pretty comfortable with hovering in most orientations and FF, but I have difficulty sometimes with orientation where It's difficult for me to tell which way the airframe is leaning. With these black blades, the rotor disk is completely invisible except for the white flybar paddles. I ordered some white Align skid supports which help. I'm thinking part of my difficulty here is anxiety over not wanting to crash. It's not like I'm paranoid about it. LIke I've said in previous posts, the emotional aspects of this hobby are very interesting. Hmmm! Maybe I just need to get my eyes checked:-/ Anyway, I've been flying since August, and I'm a Sim Flying genius doing inverted hovering tail in and nose in, but I'm not able to fly FF, or backwards inverted circuits, yet. Still working on that. I've tried a couple of times hovering inverted on the real thing with less than graceful results once by putting my beautiful Chaos 600E into a corn field near me. Another question regarding the BW 3-axis controller. Have you heard anything about the inclusion of a bail-out feature with a SW upgrade? I really like the price RCA has on the BW controller. I try not to go cheap with this hobby. Going cheap is often not the least expensive. I'm looking very seriously at the Skookum 720, but the price is a bit much. It's at least $100 less than the HeliCommand. Of course, the self-leveling built into these controllers with a switch is a very desirable feature to me. I thought that would be helpful when I lose orientation. I know that part of my problem with orientation is inexperience. I'm thinking I just need to be patient and fly more. I've also looked at the Flymentor 3D. But I think it's time to go FBL. I know that FBL controllers provide the flight stabilization I'm looking for but not always the bail-out feature I believe I need. I studied the copilot II with the hard deck feature, but I don't like all the sensors all over the airframe. It's very unattractive. CRModels, thanks for the offer to sell those 603mm blades. I prefer white blades, they're easier to see the disk. They're just a bit more $$ than I've wanted to spend. RCA has a really good price on their 600 blades and the balancing is dead accurate, but I know I will have to change blade types if I go flybarless. I would like to buy them, but not until after Christmas. Let me know if you are in a hurry to sell them, and I may make an exception. Decisions, Decisions. Thanks for your help, guys.
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Post by Chris Reibert on Dec 16, 2012 13:50:36 GMT -4
Edge blades stand out and sound great! As far as FBL controller for newbies you can't beat the skoocum with bail out. What is your reasoning for going FBL so soon? You really won't see a huge difference unless you fly hard FF 3D. Staying FB will be much more stable and save ya some $$.
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Post by heliofaguy on Dec 16, 2012 16:57:58 GMT -4
CRModels. Your question is a good one. I think I may be a bit mis-guided with all the talk about how much the FBL controllers provide so much flight stability. Maybe I should be looking more at the Flymentor 3D with the auto reset when the sticks go to neutral and stay with a FB for a while longer. I would like some type of bail-out feature that can help me with stability when I lose orientation while I''m still learning to fly with more confidence.
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Post by Chris Reibert on Dec 16, 2012 17:14:23 GMT -4
Yes they can be stable but mostly it comes down to crisp cyclic response for 3D flying. It it were me I'd save my $$$ and add a bail out feature and keep it FB until you are experienced in forward flight and all orientations. But everyone has their own preferences. I've been flying helis since 98 and I just went FBL this year. I keep a FB heli around to train people with a buddy box. FBL is easier as far as maintence in a crash because there are less parts but to convert over you need a FBL head, FBL blades, FBL gyro... $$$
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Post by Chris Reibert on Dec 16, 2012 17:16:26 GMT -4
Of you have any further questions feel free to email me at crmodels@juno.com and I can give you my number. Hope this helps you out a little. Don't want to force you one way over the other but saving $$ is a good thing!
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Post by heliofaguy on Dec 16, 2012 17:57:05 GMT -4
I value your opinion. The bling of something new in this hobby is very appealing, and I sure don't need to throw good money after bad. I'm totally hooked on this hobby, but also realistic in that I don't have gobs of money to throw at it. So, you have helped me a great deal sort out what is important. I think I'll just look for a bail-out feature that I can afford and stay with FB for a while. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I have 2 cracked up canopies that I'm looking to restore due to less than graceful encounters with the ground. I do realize that crashing is part of this hobby. It's just the part that I would prefer not to encounter very often.
Thanks a bunch for your help. I think I saw on Helifreak that you're selling a set of Align servos cause your buliding project came to a screaching halt with a new baby coming. Congratulations! Nothing like a baby fresh from God. I have 3 grown sons and they make me proud every day. I remember when each one was born. I'd buy those servos as back-ups if I wasn't looking for something else. They're exactly what I have on my 600.
Please, Have a great holiday, and enjoy that baby when it arrives!
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Post by Chris Reibert on Dec 16, 2012 18:23:45 GMT -4
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Post by heliharry on Jan 22, 2013 22:00:38 GMT -4
Congrats on your Baby CRMODEL
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Post by ak3levy on Jan 25, 2013 16:24:49 GMT -4
I am updating my Chaos 600E to FBL. What I did to save money and have fun was bought the Blade 300x. IT comes with the Spektrum integrated with BEAST FBL System. With the sale Horizon is having your only paying 40 dollars for the helicopter cause of how much the Gyro cost. I Figure I would Fly the 300x around do some 3D untill I crash it then take off the BEAST FLB Gyro put that on my 600 and bam!.
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Post by Chris Reibert on Jan 25, 2013 16:41:41 GMT -4
Good choice I've been beating on my 300x for months! Fin little machine that can take a licking!
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Post by Dr. Evil on Jan 27, 2013 10:20:44 GMT -4
I am updating my Chaos 600E to FBL. What I did to save money and have fun was bought the Blade 300x. IT comes with the Spektrum integrated with BEAST FBL System. With the sale Horizon is having your only paying 40 dollars for the helicopter cause of how much the Gyro cost. I Figure I would Fly the 300x around do some 3D untill I crash it then take off the BEAST FLB Gyro put that on my 600 and bam!. I'm not a big spectrum guy but is it possible to pull that same unit off of the 300x and stick it into a 600?
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