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Post by Dr. Evil on May 8, 2012 21:30:38 GMT -4
.....but if for some reason you can't order it on their website, give Robert a call tomorrow and he'll set you up.
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Post by wolfen on May 8, 2012 21:32:10 GMT -4
ok, sounds good, Ill order some and look for a 600e base plate. thanks
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Post by Dr. Evil on May 8, 2012 21:37:20 GMT -4
ok, sounds good, Ill order some and look for a 600e base plate. thanks your very welcome, let us know how everything turns out...
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Post by bladestrikes on May 8, 2012 21:48:22 GMT -4
That makes sense about the strenght of the base/frames. Hey Doc.....can you contact RCA and tell them to expidite that part in? I know they have a lot on their plate at the moment with so many new products coming out. Currently Cliff is overseas and not sure when he'll return. That being said, again i don't see an issue with using the spacers that RCA carries for using any other brand base plates if you must need it. Take a look at their website, the space is so small, I do not feel it would make a difference as far as strength is concerned. That little bit of space makes a HUGE difference..Them square tabs on the side of the plate HAS to be all the way in the frame..Thats what keeps the frame from breaking during a crash.If the square tabs in that KDE base plate don't go all the way into the square slots in the frame,its pretty useless and will cause more damage than good....
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Post by Dr. Evil on May 8, 2012 22:08:17 GMT -4
Currently Cliff is overseas and not sure when he'll return. That being said, again i don't see an issue with using the spacers that RCA carries for using any other brand base plates if you must need it. Take a look at their website, the space is so small, I do not feel it would make a difference as far as strength is concerned. That little bit of space makes a HUGE difference..Them square tabs on the side of the plate HAS to be all the way in the frame..Thats what keeps the frame from breaking during a crash.If the square tabs in that KDE base plate don't go all the way into the square slots in the frame,its pretty useless and will cause more damage than good.... I am just trying to help those who are in need of a solution other than wating on the org. Chaos base plate. I am not telling anyone that they should do this instead of but at the same time and I am saying this w/o sounding like I am trying to start an argument...I am not sure I agree with your statement but I am also not saying I disagree. The point you're making about "square tabs on the side of the plate HAS to be all the way in the frame..Thats what keeps the frame from breaking during a crash" I don't exactly understand how the tabs would effect the frame from breaking during a crash. As far as I see it, those tabs are made so that the base plate can be lined up correctly and square to the side frames for mounting. The only thing that keeps the 2 side main frames and the base plate together is all the bolts including the main bearing blocks and not so much the tabs on the base plate. Again, not trying to argue about this..I just don't see the tabs playing a big roll into how it can prevent damages incase of a crash.
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Post by Chris Reibert on May 8, 2012 23:01:39 GMT -4
I've built a lot of helis and its just my 2cents but from what I've seen in the past with my old trex's and my Chaos 600 is all the base plate does on those helis is give something for the gear skids to mount to. The main strength of the frame is from the solid thick carbon fiber which is held together by the motor mount, bearing blocks, and rear TT gearbox. The bottom plate is there to just help line up the bottom of the frame. Spacers or no spacers Chaos or Align if you crash they are breaking! Here is a personal story from a few weeks ago. I MESSED UP... So before I had a chance to program my Ice75 in my Chaos 500 I decided to have a light 3D flight.... Well do to my hard flying I pushed her for one more pitch pump to front flip...Lets just say about 20-30 feet up half way through the front flip the esc cut out and without time to gain headspeed she fell flat down to the pavement
It hit flat on the pavement blowing out the Align white skids I had on it, smashed the bottom plate, gyro tray shattered, and main battery smashed half the battery tray.
The CARBON FIBER frame and everything else was Flawless! Like I said Align or Chaos spacers or no spacers you crash your breaking stuff.... Having a frame build with out spacers won't help your bird in a crash. I Needed to get my Chaos back up in the air by the next day so I ran to the LHS and grabbed the parts and got her in the air the next day for under $20. The plastic is meant to give in a crash protecting the more rigid parts. I know it stinks when RCA is out of stock but that is what is great about using other parts. Grab an Align or KDE baseplate and some spacers and get your birds in the air guys!! Hell I'll sell someone mine right off my bird and I'll use the spacers! Just my 2cents guys but don't let this small issue keep you out of the air
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Post by bladestrikes on May 8, 2012 23:52:36 GMT -4
If the tabs weren't there,you have them tiny screws "only" keeping the frames stiff during a crash..Its cool about letting people know they can use spacers but its also good to let people know what can happen doing it that way..Ive been flying 600E's for 5 years stright and can personally tell you what will happen..Align didn't put them there for no reason,its to help keep the frames from flexing during a crash..Its not hard to rip 6 screws out during a crash when you have no support keeping the frames from flexing.
crmodels, The motor mount,bearing blocks and boom block are in the "middle of the frame" so doesn't stiffen anything on the bottom what so ever..Your way off from talking about the bottom of the frames and what you said has nothing at all to even do with the bottom. Trying to let people know what will happen and now you guys wanna argue about it.if the tabs were pointless,they wouldn't be there. Also, The bottom plate isn't there to just line up the bottom of the frame..The frames aren't in sections,they are one piece side frames,not sections..You center/90 everything on new builds on a level surface and snug the bearing blocks.Thats the correct way to 90/line up everything..
Its all good guys and thanks so much.Later..
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Post by Condor on May 9, 2012 17:29:17 GMT -4
Hey Fellas, Just thought I would put in my 2 cents. I too was a bit concerned about the spacers when I built the 600 for the MD 500. I have not crashed it (yet) but after over 75 flights there isn't any evidence of miss alignment or structural problems. IMHO I really don't think there exist enough difference in structural integrity to really discuss.
You have so many hard points mounted over the entire frame that I don't see how your frames would suffer more damage unless you were going to make the argument that the additional rigidity using the spacers and aluminum frames made the structure less able to flex. After all, you have 50cc gas engines (let alone electric) mounted on spacers from 1/2 inch out to 4 inches. I could see a frame eyelet maybe being cracked or broken but after hitting that hard who's to say it wouldn't do other damage anyway.
I believe the addition of the aluminum frames and heavier bearings using the spacers far outweigh (in additional strength) the flexing using plastic frames and you gain nothing in additional mounting points staying with plastic base rails over the aluminum. Mine is very ridged.
If there was any difference in the two builds I would say you might pick up more high frequency vibs using the aluminum with spacers just because its less forgiving than plastic. I don't think you could tell the difference but it might exist.
Additionally, I am a huge sucker for looks and shinny steel things make me drool.
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Post by Chris Reibert on May 9, 2012 17:37:18 GMT -4
Bling =
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Post by cgetman02 on May 16, 2012 21:45:23 GMT -4
I put KDE CNC bottom plates on both of my 500s and my Chaos 600. I have put them all into the ground at one time or another. Minimal damage. The 600 had to be tweaked back straight. It was a parallelogram after the last crash. Straightened right up and is flying great.
The KDE plate had to use the spacer kit to fit the Chaos but that has worked just fine.
The CNC upgrades are a great idea forge forward!
FWIW, Crashmaster
I haven't had any frame breakage due to having to use the spacers on the Chaos 600 with the KDE base.
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Post by wolfen on May 17, 2012 14:46:50 GMT -4
Update on the bottom base plate for everybody who is waiting for them to come in, I got the e-mail this morning:
Department: Product Question - Helicopters
Subject: Main Frame Parts
They are in a container on the way to us, should be about 2 weeks
Sincerely, RC Aerodyne Support Team
Hope this helps everybody who has been waiting for them, I know Im getting two when the come in... ;D
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Post by wolfen on May 23, 2012 19:29:51 GMT -4
The base plates are in, the base plates are in, yyyyeeeaaa ;D
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Post by chitty024 on May 23, 2012 22:07:13 GMT -4
The base plates are in, the base plates are in, yyyyeeeaaa ;D Order placed!
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Post by wolfen on May 27, 2012 23:08:05 GMT -4
well, I placed an order for the baseplate on the 23rd and here it is the 27th and it still shows it Processing, whats up!!!
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Post by sgmason on May 27, 2012 23:12:02 GMT -4
Memorial day weekend? It took 3 or 4 days for my helicopter order to process, I am sure that there are a few people ordering baseplates and its taking a bit of time to get through everything and the 3 day weekend is going to slow it down a bit more.
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